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	<title>Comments on: Probably a bad idea</title>
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		<title>By: Ste For Sure</title>
		<link>http://badconscience.com/2010/03/10/probably-a-bad-idea/#comment-2394</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ste For Sure]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 00:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Its bizarre that people just wade in with their own understanding of what terms mean, and then tell you you are confused, without actually reading the piece and appreciating how *you* are setting up the terms. 

tis also bizarre that criticism of two political parties is taken as an argument to vote for some other one. People are bellends generally arent they?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its bizarre that people just wade in with their own understanding of what terms mean, and then tell you you are confused, without actually reading the piece and appreciating how *you* are setting up the terms. </p>
<p>tis also bizarre that criticism of two political parties is taken as an argument to vote for some other one. People are bellends generally arent they?</p>
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		<title>By: Bill le Breton</title>
		<link>http://badconscience.com/2010/03/10/probably-a-bad-idea/#comment-2382</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill le Breton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow, what a strange experience publishing a CiF must be, Paul.

You have a really good handle on what the majority of Liberal Democrat activists are about (not to be confused with what Clegg is about).

This left liberalism you describe seems to take us up to the New Liberalism of the 1890s.

Liberal Party and now Lib Dem activists have as their ideology ideas set out in this extremely influential publication from the ‘70s, The Theory and Practice of Community Politics, that can be found here in all its glorious golf-ball typography and lettraset – a period piece.  http://www.cix.co.uk/~rosenstiel/aldc/commpol.htm 

I doubt Clegg has read it and probably hasn’t even heard of it (he is a fully paid up neo-liberal, the root of his ideas stemming from the period prior even to New Liberalism). But 80% of the Parliamentary Party and most of the Party’s councillors practice their community activity using this ideology.  

It is worth opening – it is not, I stress, an election technique, it is a position that has evolved from Mill, Green, and Hobhouse/Hobson.  I’d be really interested in views of it. 

When there is no ideological debate, citizens actually get apathetic and hostile to politicians.  Down with consensus!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, what a strange experience publishing a CiF must be, Paul.</p>
<p>You have a really good handle on what the majority of Liberal Democrat activists are about (not to be confused with what Clegg is about).</p>
<p>This left liberalism you describe seems to take us up to the New Liberalism of the 1890s.</p>
<p>Liberal Party and now Lib Dem activists have as their ideology ideas set out in this extremely influential publication from the ‘70s, The Theory and Practice of Community Politics, that can be found here in all its glorious golf-ball typography and lettraset – a period piece.  <a href="http://www.cix.co.uk/~rosenstiel/aldc/commpol.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.cix.co.uk/~rosenstiel/aldc/commpol.htm</a> </p>
<p>I doubt Clegg has read it and probably hasn’t even heard of it (he is a fully paid up neo-liberal, the root of his ideas stemming from the period prior even to New Liberalism). But 80% of the Parliamentary Party and most of the Party’s councillors practice their community activity using this ideology.  </p>
<p>It is worth opening – it is not, I stress, an election technique, it is a position that has evolved from Mill, Green, and Hobhouse/Hobson.  I’d be really interested in views of it. </p>
<p>When there is no ideological debate, citizens actually get apathetic and hostile to politicians.  Down with consensus!</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Sagar</title>
		<link>http://badconscience.com/2010/03/10/probably-a-bad-idea/#comment-2378</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Sagar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 22:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But Peter, you don&#039;t understand the concept of the internet.

I demand that you expound your theory of the internet via the conceptual framework of claim-internets. This esoteric refinement is essential for the logic of your broad-brush comment.

p.s. you are an idiot, ho ho ho, I&#039;m much cleverer than you

etc etc ad nauseum]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But Peter, you don&#8217;t understand the concept of the internet.</p>
<p>I demand that you expound your theory of the internet via the conceptual framework of claim-internets. This esoteric refinement is essential for the logic of your broad-brush comment.</p>
<p>p.s. you are an idiot, ho ho ho, I&#8217;m much cleverer than you</p>
<p>etc etc ad nauseum</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://badconscience.com/2010/03/10/probably-a-bad-idea/#comment-2377</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 21:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Like Chris Brooke, I think that that comment thread is civil so far as CiF goes.  Snarky, but that&#039;s the internets for you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like Chris Brooke, I think that that comment thread is civil so far as CiF goes.  Snarky, but that&#8217;s the internets for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Sagar</title>
		<link>http://badconscience.com/2010/03/10/probably-a-bad-idea/#comment-2375</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Sagar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 20:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Grace,

That typo has been the bloody bane of me this month. Honestly, every time i go to write &quot;decent&quot; I write &quot;descent&quot;, and vise versa!

But you should apply to the Grauniad for a sub editor role: you&#039;ve clearly got sharper eyes than they do!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grace,</p>
<p>That typo has been the bloody bane of me this month. Honestly, every time i go to write &#8220;decent&#8221; I write &#8220;descent&#8221;, and vise versa!</p>
<p>But you should apply to the Grauniad for a sub editor role: you&#8217;ve clearly got sharper eyes than they do!!</p>
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		<title>By: Grace</title>
		<link>http://badconscience.com/2010/03/10/probably-a-bad-idea/#comment-2374</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Grace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 20:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[(There&#039;s a typo in the 5th paragraph, &quot;minimum standards of *descent* existence&quot;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(There&#8217;s a typo in the 5th paragraph, &#8220;minimum standards of *descent* existence&#8221;)</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Sagar</title>
		<link>http://badconscience.com/2010/03/10/probably-a-bad-idea/#comment-2373</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Sagar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 20:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pitty for me that I&#039;d get an &quot;F&quot; in philosohpy and a mere 52 from Mr NotaTrot and his avatar of Kant!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pitty for me that I&#8217;d get an &#8220;F&#8221; in philosohpy and a mere 52 from Mr NotaTrot and his avatar of Kant!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Brooke</title>
		<link>http://badconscience.com/2010/03/10/probably-a-bad-idea/#comment-2372</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Brooke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 20:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Compared with most CiF discussions, that one looks almost erudite.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Compared with most CiF discussions, that one looks almost erudite.</p>
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